Any owners of both the FN-SLP and the M4 if you can please comment on your thoughts of both of these shotguns? However definitive that plot may look the bar graph below, illustrating total failures per box for each of the 20 boxes of ammunition, may indicate a reason. Obviously a lot more testing would be required to validate their claims, hence why I said “but further testing will be required to make any kind of a definitive answer.” I do admit to being biased towards the 930 SPX (because I’m the owner), but I feel that in the testing my own bias was balanced out by the bias of the SLP owner, and the relatively unbiased assistants we used. If you speak to any of the other authors involved (listed on the report) they will independently verify my statement. I dont care how your ” test” results turned out. I just know that with my experiance FN builds very good firearms as does Mossberg. Such a statement cannot come across as being anything other than biased.” – Lance Jacobs, “Every 930 SPX I’ve fired and every 930 SPX owner I’ve talked to has said that their shotgun works all the time every time. http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/lanceJOregon/guns/SHOT1.jpg. I have a tendency to plant my feet almost one behind the other when facing target, and I don’t lean forward. So then I started looking into the Benelli M2's. Hopefully sometime in the future we can definitively answer these questions, until then this test is the best I’ve seen. However, with some help from TTAG I’m sure we can work out a revenge match. In the course of our work, we logged other performance results to further determine which shotgun best suits 3-gun competition. Since my last posting I have become an owner of the SLP MKI and let me tell you through my informal testing it has fired and cycled every round I have put through it. It is possible that it will improve once “broken in” however, I am not a fan of breaking in guns as defensive firearms should work properly right out of the box. The Beretta Xplor A400 is another, albeit field type, super shot gun that’s had zero failures for me in hunting and with clays. As of that morning I had shot about 30 buckshot and 300 birdshot (primarily Winchester, which I’ve heard some say the SLP doesn’t favor) through it to break it in. 25 rounds of Federal LE132 9 pellet 00 buckshot that fires at 1125 FPS ARCHIVED; Armory » Shotguns. I apologize that your shotgun did not win. check out the. For those who aren’t familiar with the M4, this is the same gun the U.S. Marine Corps are using. We chose 500 rounds based on the average published round count for shotguns in 3-gun events. In the end, it appears that the reliability of the shotgun in question is highly variable. Thanks to The Pennsylvania State University Media and Technology Support Services for the electronic equipment used. The first such side experiment investigated whether or not the “smoothness” of the action degraded as the shotgun was fired. The FNH SLP Mk. The front sight isn’t slanted as some were on SPX’s, the rail & rear sight are secure. When I posted this same result at ar15.com your reaction was the same as many there: disbelief and the desire to defend your chosen shotgun. The FNH SLP shoots faster, holds more ammo and costs about $600 less then the revered Benelli. About AR15.COM. There is no need to learn how to shoot a pistol grip. If the test had been conducted correctly, the FN SLP Mk 1 would have very easily won. See my remarks in my post. A great amount of time, effort and personal funds went into making this test as fair and accurate as possible, and I have not received a single penny in payment as a result from anyone. Regarding your new remarks, I do have an issue with one part of your follow up. In the world of 3-gun competitions the competitors are divided into various divisions based on the equipment they choose to use. However, there have been multiple SLP Mk. A randomly chosen FNH SLP Mk. I plan to hit the range with 100 Winchester bulk to see if the malfunctions go away with this corrected stance. Popular Shotguns choices are the AK47 / Kalashnikov action shotguns like the Lynx 12 or Kalashnikov USA KS-12 Shotgun.They are rugged and reliable with magazines and drums redialy available . The 4 round capacity is mag-tube only and with 3" shells. Interesting test, I can only tell you that I have a FNH SLP Mark 1 and it has 2000 three gun rounds through it without so much as a hiccup. Loading procedures are simpler on the SLP, load the magazine tube and … The FN SLP has a solid configuration out of the box, but being gas-operated, makes it a little more difficult to clean, and I'm concerned about parts availability. Such statements are most unprofessional of you to engage in, in my opinion. At the end of the test we both agreed that it had been fair, and that each of us had done everything in our power to make our shotguns run reliably. We designed this experiment to determine if any malfunctions occurred in any of the shotguns and to document when they happened. Beretta 1301 Tactical The M4 is cool, never handled the FN, though. I have a Mossberg, and other brands of shotgun but only shoot my FNH. However, there have been multiple SLP Mk. I would contribute some or most of the failures to the low power ammo used. Another word, you just forgot to mention that you had the correct piston after all. Benelli M4 has excellent aftermarket support for a tactical configuration, but it's heavy and expensive. -crash, I have a Mossberg 930SPX used in multi-gun. It’s true that I own the Mossberg 930 SPX in question, Ben (who helped write this report) owned the SLP Mk. I despite not being mentioned in the write-up.]. Unfortunately as far as I can tell my test was the first of its kind to actually examine the reliability of these shotguns, so the only method we have to validate the results is word of mouth. “Irregardless” is not a word. 25 rounds of Federal XM127 9 pellet 00 buckshot that fires at 1325FPS. While I truthfully love comments, concerns and possible issues with my studies to be brought to my attention, I would appreciate it if future responses could be kept to a more civilized tone, and an opportunity for response be allowed before the comments devolve into accusations of “slipshod effort.”. At least that is my own personal opinion of Walmart and their products. I like the gun, but again, to get to the configuration I want, I'd need to throw in some more cash for the mag-tube extension. Shotgun targets are typically rigged to move or react in some manner, whether it’s spinning such as with the Texas Star or flying like a clay pigeon. All results are presented in terms of “boxes of ammunition.” To make the results more readable, the smallest unit of measurement considered was a set of 25 rounds, which is the same as the amount of shells contained in a single box of ammunition. Go on YouTube, there are a lot of videos about them. For the test proper, both shotguns were fired simultaneously. He would fire at each target. It never required any sort of break in period. I run winchester, federal and remington bird shot, 0 malfunctions thru 2000 rounds 3 cleanings occasional spray of rem oil on bolt( that is nearly Ak47 reliable). So this whole test was very poorly implemented, without proper research being done by this staff. The SLP is a fantastic shotgun and probably only second to the Benelli M2 in terms of usage by professional 3-gun shooters- who btw are shooting multiple load types during stages. Nor even do they mention the basic fact that there are two different gas cylinders for the FN, and that they must be swapped out depending on whether one is shooting light low base or heavy high base loads. I does indeed come with two gas pistons and the manual does say that light loads will properly cycle with the “light” piston installed. But what can you say the Mossberg really is a get what you pay for gun. -Ecclesiastes 10:2. I hate to break it to you foghorn. As to long term wear and tear……….. Clean them and they will survive .. As to my comments, I was not trying to “bash” the SLP, I was simply reiterating some of the comments I’ve heard from other SPX owners. Can someone tell me the advantages of each? I owners who have returned their shotguns due to reliability issues.” – Foghorn. The first metric of the test was whether both shotguns were still functioning at the conclusion of the test. The number and frequency seemed incredibly high compared to what I’ve seen with older semi shotguns. And you know I have had complaints with every owner on reliability. I will update if the barrel is or isn’t warrantied. To decrease the time they need to take between shots, competitors (especially those in the Tactical divisions) have moved from pump action shotguns to semi-automatic models. The extent of my experience with autoloading SGs is the 11-87 which I've found to be finicky about ammo, and starts to … I also own a 930, its a decent gun but cant compare. I find these comments to be gratuitous in nature. The even distribution and sparsity of failures indicates that the failures are genuine mechanical failures due to wear and dirty machinery instead of user error. Because the failures alternate, with some bars having no failures and some bars having failures, it seems to indicate that the ammunition was to blame and not the shotgun as the malfunctions were exclusive to the Winchester ammunition. Thanks for the interesting article, I’m currently considering the two models tested and appreciate the information you provided. Use regardless instead.”, Informative test, sound methodology. Try checking that if you’re having malfunctions. While they were disassembled we referred to the manuals for each shotgun to ensure that they were properly configured for the testing to come. A number of the 930s were shipped with canted front sights. While they were disassembled we referred to the manuals for each shotgun to ensure that they were properly configured for the testing to come. There is no doubt in my mind now that there must have been something wrong with the FN tested. The first 10 boxes of ammunition, however, seem to negate that theory as the failures are persistent and almost evenly distributed. With the FNH SLP, the last 10 boxes of ammunition tell a very different and interesting story. This particular pair of shotguns are currently considered the best options for the “tactical” series of divisions (Tactical Optics, Tactical Irons, Heavy Metal Tactical) as well as the “Limited” (with restrictions) and “Open” divisions. Atlantic Firearms offers a wide selection Tactical Shotguns for Sporting , Home Defense and Hunting applications . Testing was conducted using one lightly used shotgun (<200 rounds) of each model. ©COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I does indeed come with two gas pistons and the manual does say that light loads will properly cycle with the “light” piston installed. I prefer the FNH gun, but the 930 is good if you have a well made one. If you speak to any of the other authors involved (listed on the report) they will independently verify my statement.” – Foghorn. Turn around time was less than 3 weeks. My FN SLP Mk 1 has been perfect from the start. On a more serious note, I would LOVE to repeat this test again in the future, throwing in a Saiga 12 and an M4 as well as the new Kel-Tec double tube shotgun when it comes out. Thanks to the Pennsylvania Game Commission for the use of its Scotia shotgun range as the testing facility (State Game Lands No. Brilliant, Mr. Jacobs, you beat me to it. Before shipping the barrel I asked two friends on separate occassions to look down the barrel from the front sight to rear and tell me if they noticed anything. I only had one more stage with shotgun after being advised of my incorrect stance, so I’m tentatively concluding that it was stance that was causing the issues. The relatively subjective test regarding the degradation of the action due to wear proved inconclusive, as both shotguns experienced a drop in “smoothness” from a 1 to an average of 2.5. I put over 300- rounds through mine today with nary a hick-up and that’s without a cleaning from last weekends action pistol work– I probably only have 1000 rds thru the gun as I just picked it up a few months ago but I have yet to experience a malfunction of any sort- all on the light piston as well. Data analysis and figure generation was performed using the statistical program R (r-project.org). According to conventional wisdom, the number of rounds fired and the abuse the firearm has received since its last cleaning is the principal factor which increases the probability of malfunctions in semi-automatic firearms. Yesterday I went to my first 3gun match. Your comments that I have quoted below are pure hearsay, with no real facts or data to back them up. Thinking about an FN or Benelli. With production shotguns where thousands of units are produced, a sample population of dozens or even hundreds of shotguns would be required to get within a 95% confidence interval for the results. OK, points well taken, and I will obviously retract my earlier remarks in light of all of this additional information being provided. TFC Shotty Shootout Benelli M4 vs Remington 870 Vang Comp vs FN SLP vs KSG vs Mossberg featuring the Stranges, Skinny D, Beard Almighty, and Chunk! The 1301 is picking up steam in the LE world. It came with a single piston (orange) that according the manual is intended to be used for both light and heavy loads. These details should have most definitely been included in the article, and were a significant omission to make in writing the review. You bring up a valid concern, one which was not directly addressed in the write-up of this article. I wanted to update my first comment to correct the remark I made about my front sight not being canted. Following the completion of testing a survey was taken of the participants to determine which shotgun they preferred. As the boxplot below shows, the probability of a failure per box of 25 shells was far greater in the FNH SLP than the Mossberg 930 SPX. But for gas autoloaders Beretta simply makes the best. Not for anything. “The remarks that I am referring to are quoted at the very end of this post. They put so much pressure on their vendors to cut corners to reduce pricing, that they many times end up selling a substandard product. These remarks now give the appearance of bias on your part. Sometimes it runs flawlessly just to drive me nuts. I bought a Mossberg 930 SPX and it ate everything I had with zero malfunctions. AR15.COM is the world’s largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Tactical division is generally the most popular division at any given event. Entirely possible. I've always liked/wanted the Benelli but would have preferred the options that you just can't seem to come by: collapsing stock and extended mag tube (but that one is a lot easier. However, we did not have the time, the money or the shotguns to use a sample that large. I wrote Mossberg by email about the problem and they told me to ship the barrel for warranty replacement. This test was initiated with two specific goals. I have seen more than one of each model in operation and the FN has Never sent a competitor off course due to malfunction. I’ll try to remember to update this thread with what I find. The extent of my experience with autoloading SGs is the 11-87 which I've found to be finicky about ammo, and starts to have problems with a little dirt in the action. Some doesn’t understand how to properly calculate a t-test and what the results mean. "A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." You might have a hard time outfitting it for defensive use. SLP all the way! Pure and simple the FN SLP MkI is far superior in build quality and function. Your failure to mention any of this key info in the review gave the appearance of a gross oversight being made. I’ve never tried these specific loads myself with my SLP, as I generally shoot Federal and Estate target ammo that I get from places like Sportsman’s Warehouse, Dick’s Sporting Goods, and a local chain called BiMart that we have here in Oregon. If only gun magazines did tests this thoroughly…. The night prior to the test we fully disassembled both shotguns and gave them a thorough cleaning. Yet, you now actually contradict yourself and claim that every 930 SPX that you are aware of “works all the time every time”. I recently purchased a new FN SLP MK1. The build quality alone is tangible between the two guns which is a reflection of the way FN builds guns vs Mossberg- Mossberg makes decent stuff at a solid price FN makes top quality fire arms to include the SLP…get it straight wingnuts. The remarks that I am referring to are quoted at the very end of this post. All we have to go on to determine which shotgun is superior is personal experience and gun store scuttlebutt. I never ment to discredit your testing, in my opinion it was very thorough. The final and most important metric was the reliability of the shotguns. Instead, I will just simply say that the writing of this article itself could have been better. Both guns fired 500 rounds in under four hours, using two different ammunition types commonly found in stores, rotating through 6 shooters to ensure operator error was controlled for. This went on for about half the day. Indeed, both shotguns completed the 500 rounds successfully and continued functioning properly. A gun may perform great, yet show unfavorable wear which would limit its long-term reliability. Despite the limitations, the results still speak volumes. Grammar Nazi alert! Also one last bit, When you get it please properly clean it before you use it (or at least say you did) to keep the last of the cry babies of your back ;). I or a Mossberg 930 SPX, would experience mechanical difficulties to determine which was better suited for 3-gun competitions. I and had a significant personal interest in seeing that his shotgun won. Wall mart value pack garbage all the way to 3″ magnum rounds all on the light piston. I never shoot low recoil ammo. By partitioning the data in this manner, the results may be viewed more as a collection of smaller tests rather than a single continuous test. That high variability brings up another question. It has been very reliable with all loads. For this reason the shotguns were tested in the proper configuration for a Tactical division shotgun. The major constraints we had during this test was time and ammunition, we had only one day to conduct the test and a very short budget with which to conduct it. He sounds very defensive. Shame on you guys for doing such a slipshod effort here, and not doing your homework. Enjoyed the comparison – got a 930 for 3 gun had some issues with QC initially but worked through them and now have a very nice and inexpensive gun that keeps up with the high dollar guns. The flaw is that only one shotgun of each model was used, which means we did not have a proper sample size on which to base the analysis. Love the guns – terrible service. Mesa Tactical’s innovative, rugged and reliable tactical equipment is the choice for law enforcement, military and the public to meet real world duty and personal protection requirements. It was definateley more reliable and weather resistant than my Benelli M1S90. Great test guys . Since the testing ended there have been almost as many people who have contacted me to tell me about the poor reliability of their SLP Mk. If yours don’t . I know the M4 is an excellent shotgun and I will be getting one at a later date. The user manual for the shotgun makes this very clear. I haven’t had any problems with the shotgun at all and I run alot of rounds mostly Federal flite control, Centurion Multi Defense and Federal or Brenneke slugs. [Conclusion redacted for the sake of dramatic tension.]. Let me just say one thing, I know I own a FN but unless you have big money or are military they will not listen to you. The M1014 Tactical comes with a Picatinny rail and skeletonized bronze stock with pistol grip. Written by Nicholas Leghorn, Benjamin Parmalee, Nathan Barndt, Frank E., Craig Boyd, Nicholas Rose. I don't know much about the Benelli M4, but if it's good enough for the USMC (and LAPD for that matter) it's GTG too. The receiver may have been drilled off center. Firearms reliability on the civilian market hasn’t been well tested. The Benelli M4 will usually feed anything you put in it and works no matter how much sand mud or grime is covering the shotgun. Such a statement cannot come across as being anything other than biased. One at a time, each shooter would be presented with a target thrown by the assistant. Both shotguns had seen light use prior to the test. In my opinion, it was not at all necessary for you to say any of this, in order to respond to my concerns about how your tests were conducted. We cleaned, lubricated and inspected them meticulously before the contest, as competitors would before a match. I owners who have returned their shotguns due to reliability issues. I don't think the M4 is worth it with the 1301 out now, though, and the fact that the 1301 costs about $1,000 less. I malfunctioned more often than a randomly chosen Mossberg 930 SPX. This is my first post, I have a Supernova and I just bought a FNH SLP. 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